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    Exclamation Neufelius Roulette Software

    Hello to everyone !

    Did you ever tried a roulette software to beat roulette ?

    The new version of neufelius "Neufelius Generation Seven V7.0" in english is available in 2 days.

    This is the ultimate and best roulette software you have ever seen. Realtime Analysis, while playing online.

    You can enter your own parameter in this software. And there are so much parameters: all simple chances, final´s, series, dozens, columns, blocks, sticks, lines, sectors, wheel halves, doublettes, ..... and many many more.

    You can create combinations, phases ...

    It is impossible to tell you all of this software.

    But you can download a demo-trialversion of neufelius generation seven. It is limited to 70 rounds. But this is enough to try this software.

    Look on our website: On the left site is a button > Download.

    There you will find the Demo-Trial Version of Neufelius Generation Seven in english.

    http://www.partyking-music.com/neufelius/rou.html

    Full version available on 9th November 2004.

    Best regards

    Neufelius

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    Since past random events do not affect the outcome of future random events what use is analysis?

    I.e. If the ball lands on Red 15 time in a row the chance of it landing on Red for the next spin is 1 in 2.

    (*Allowing for the green segment(s) it’s a fraction worse than this, but you get the idea)

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    Smile Yes you are right, but .....

    you forget the 2/3 law. Example: It is impossible, that 37 numbers will be coming in 37 spins.

    You must play near to the limits. All computersimulations are showing, that a sequence of a simple chance can reach a maximum of 24. 24 red is maximum (Simulation over 10 million rounds).

    This is only an example. Okay, you must wait a long time. Example: You enter a parameter like 18. If this sequence is reached then neufelius showing you that kind of alarm. 6 times and red is over. Neufelius is looking on all chances, not only simple chances.

    (Excuse my english, but i am from austria).

    Best regards

    Neufelius

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    The definition of “2/3 Law” must be “Impossible outcomes can happen”, because the example...
    It is impossible, that 37 numbers will be coming in 37 spins.
    ...is wrong.

    Proof:
    Total possible outcomes, including every number 1 to 37 (regardless of order), in 37 spins
    37*36*35*34*33*32*31*30*29*28*27*26*25*24*23*22*21 *20*19*18*17*16*15*14*13*12*11*10* 9* 8* 7* 6* 5* 4* 3* 2* 1
    =1.3 * 10^43

    Total possible outcomes in 37 spins
    37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37 *37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*37*3 7*37*37*37
    =1.0 * 10^58

    You define impossible as
    1.3*10^43 in 1.0*10^58
    or
    1 in 766,879,127,067,901

    I define impossible as
    0 in 1.

    This is the weakness of calculating probability using simulators.

    I’m having a little trouble with your grammar (but your English is certainly better than my non existent German ).

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    Default I hope, i understand what you meant,

    I hope, i had understood what you meant,
    but i think you are speaking about Probability calculation.

    2/3 law:

    37 numbers:

    0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19, 20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36

    1. REAL: If we play 37 rounds: simple EXAMPLE:

    0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19, 20,21,22,23,24 ----- and 13 Repetitions. = on the average

    2. MATHEMATICAL: your definition. - your example.

    Do you know what i mean ?

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    Richard

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    Your example is not REAL. It’s a computer simulation which by its very definition is not real.

    Don’t get me wrong simulations have their uses, but not in calculating very basic mathematical probability. At this level all you’re analyzing is the algorithm inside the code itself.

    It’s like saying “A coin toss can’t come up heads 5 times in a row, because I simulated 500 tosses and the highest it got to was 4 heads.” You see the problem?

    REAL = A ball on a wheel, a coin toss, the first card after a shuffle, etc..
    SIMULATOR = A computer program using randomize functions.
    MATHS = Proof tool on an infinite time line.

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    Default Hello

    Hello freezy,

    nice to read you again.

    Computersimulations are not real:

    I don´t think so. It is a randomize timer - that´s right.

    But if you are counting the numbers from a casino-visit, from one table, you will see, that´s the same result. 24 numbers on the average of 37 spins.

    Do you think that is possible to beat roulette ?

    I think it is, but i know it is not.

    Best regards,

    Neufelius

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    Hi Neufelius

    Okay lets put aside the quality of the information and just ask the question “How is the information your simulator produces useful?. I.e. How should it be applied to the game to allow you to win?

    Historical data has no value in predicting random events. Suppose I toss a coin with a friend, it comes up heads 24 times in a row. I then put the coin in my pocket until I meet you a week later and we decide to toss it again, you’re simulator would says there’s 100% chance it will come up tails because of what happened last week.
    This is called the gamblers fallacy.

    This is why casinos let players record the wheel outcomes on cards, this is why they put the last 50 up on LCD screens beside the wheel, in fact they’d probably let you bring a simulator into the casino on a PDA. They do this because they know all the data in the world will not change the fact that roulette is unfair.

    Your simulator should show you that there is no profitable betting strategy. E.g. You have 10 million spins and you have to make a bet each time (any colour, number, bet size or combination it doesn’t matter) at the end you will be broke, the unfair odds will get you. NB: You can’t “leave when you’re up” because only a consistent strategy has any value, i.e. the next time you sit down you could just loss it all so there’s no profit.

    I don’t think roulette can be beaten (without cheating). But don’t take my word for it, look at the billions of dollars casinos make...maybe the game is fair and they’re just very lucky

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    Default Hm

    I think we should open a casino.

    Best regards

    Neufelius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neufelius
    I think we should open a casino.
    I can't argue with that

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