Roulette- why you can't ever constantly win.

[fergus lee]

Hi All
Some people win at roulette some of the time but I am sceptical of those who claim to win over three years or more using systems like "going under the radar" as Steve does. .At the risk of sounding offensive I think that is bullshit.
The only way that roulette can be beaten is by using maths.Its a numbers game,New punters should ask themselves "if this idea is so simple , why aren't we all betting it ?The answer in most cases is that "everything works sometimes ".Trying using your granny's birthday date- it'll work some of the time.
Surely anyone who claims to have a winning system should keep it to themselves !
I also think it can be beaten. But not with simplistic ideas ,Anyone try a Ouija Board ?
Good punting !

[Steve Morgan]

Hi Fergus
I don't mind your scepticism; it's healthy. I think it pays to be sceptical about claims you see on the internet because there is so much BS out there. When I first decided to sell my strategy I thought it would be a great passive income. Wow! how wrong can you be!!!!!!
I'm reluctant to sell my strategy now because I know it's worth a hell of a lot more than I'm asking and quite frankly I make far more money just playing against the casinos. I know it's hard to believe because most professionals who do have a workable strategy just hang on to it.
Once my website contract is up (Sept) I'll close it and just concentrate on making money for my overseas trips. I'm lucky I am retired and have my health so I'm busy seeing the world after working hard for 42 years in Education. Just for your information I never had one sick day off work for the whole of my 42 year career! Not bad in this day and age!

The basis of my strategy is Maths. It's 100% mechanical so there's very little thinking involved. I have manipulated the odds of 81:1 in my favour so I'm expecting a loss every 81 spins!!! Needless to say it often stretches further than 81 but rarely below.

Cheers everyone - Keep on winning
WRX

[jjh]

Hi Fergus
I don't mind your scepticism; it's healthy. I think it pays to be sceptical about claims you see on the internet because there is so much BS out there. When I first decided to sell my strategy I thought it would be a great passive income. Wow! how wrong can you be!!!!!!
I'm reluctant to sell my strategy now because I know it's worth a hell of a lot more than I'm asking and quite frankly I make far more money just playing against the casinos. I know it's hard to believe because most professionals who do have a workable strategy just hang on to it.
Once my website contract is up (Sept) I'll close it and just concentrate on making money for my overseas trips. I'm lucky I am retired and have my health so I'm busy seeing the world after working hard for 42 years in Education. Just for your information I never had one sick day off work for the whole of my 42 year career! Not bad in this day and age!

The basis of my strategy is Maths. It's 100% mechanical so there's very little thinking involved. I have manipulated the odds of 81:1 in my favour so I'm expecting a loss every 81 spins!!! Needless to say it often stretches further than 81 but rarely below.

Cheers everyone - Keep on winning
WRX

I haven't posted on here for a while but this is absolutely ridiculous!

How can maths help you win at roulette when there is a house edge- maths suggests that you will lose in the longterm no matter what you do...I just can't understand why you claim to have beaten roulette.

[Steve Morgan]

Hi people
Why would Ii want to lie about such a thing? What on Earth would motivate me to make it up?
This is the very reason why I'm not selling my strategy any more. There are so many closed minded Forum members who do nothing but criticise others who have worked hard to perfect a winning strategy. I just don't need the negativity.
There are a number of professionals out there who do make money. You only need to visit i.am.a.lame.spammer.net to see how a positive interactive Forum works.

Kind regards
WRX

[fergus lee]

Hi JJB
My concern about Steve's method is that he makes fantastic claims e.g.odds in his favour of 81/1 . Frankly, I don't believe it.I think his maths is faulty.I am not a mathematician myself .I left school without certificates or ambition and have achieved neither since.But I have learned elementary probability theory and I just don't see how you can achieve an 81/1 advantage.
He is right ,though, that you need maths to stand a chance of beating roulette.It should be remembered that blackjack was also thought to be "a game of chance " until work by the likes of Baldwin and Thorpe showed that a card counting strategy could tilt the odds in your favour.
I think what you have in mind is degree level maths.Even punting on the horses you need to use arithmetic(maths ) don't you?
I agree with Steve that roulette can be beaten.AND I AM NOT TRYING TO FLOG ANYTHING ! ! !
We are only trying to be helpful !
Mathematicians should remember that The Theory of Probability is not the Theory of Certainty . So, also, should visitors to this site.
All the best.

[Steve Morgan]

Hi Fergus
I'm quite happy for you to disagree with me on certain matters. I'm just a friend trying to help. :-)

"Mathematicians should remember that The Theory of Probability is not the Theory of Certainty".

I really like this quote because it actually sums up how I attack the game.

In a perfect world single zero roulette results would come out like this:
0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7...36
green,red,black,red,black......
green,odd,even,odd,even,odd.......
green,high,low,high,low,high......
green,column1, column2, column3, column1........
green,1stdoz,2nddoz,3rddoz,1stdoz.......

We all know in reality that this just doesn't happen - numbers, columns, dozens, streets, red, black etc come out in a random 'pattern'. In fact they tend to clump together at times. You will often see red,red,red,red,red,black etc. You will sometimes see two indivdual numbers spun straight after each other; 6 followed by another 6 and in some sessions you will see a triple spun!!! 6,6,6.
This is not 'probability' at work but 'reality'.
My strategy takes advantage of this 'clumping' of numbers or events to enable me to improve my chances. I know you'll say the wheel has no memory of past events and I have to agree but we, as humans, do have a memory! Think about it. The whole secret lies within that concept.

Cheers
Steve

[DannyC]

Hi people
Why would Ii want to lie about such a thing? What on Earth would motivate me to make it up?
This is the very reason why I'm not selling my strategy any more. There are so many closed minded Forum members who do nothing but criticise others who have worked hard to perfect a winning strategy. I just don't need the negativity.
There are a number of professionals out there who do make money. You only need to visit <REMOVED> to see how a positive interactive Forum works.

Kind regards
WRX

I wondered how long before the spam... took ya time, but caught out on the first instance!

[fergus lee]

Hi Steve
"In a perfect world numbers would " occur in a straight line ? Probability Theory actually shows that there will be times when clusters occur.
I agree that this could create an advantege but you would still need a "system" to use it. I had one that worked well until I upped my stakes,lost a bit," lost my bottle "and stopped doing it.And, yup, it started winning again. More money has been lost through the psychological element than the poor odds on offer.
I get irritated when people reiterate like a religious mantra that roulette cannot be beaten when Probability Theory proves no such thing." Impossibility" in maths doesn't always have the same meaning as it has in English.It can mean "it cannot occur " but can also mean " it has such an infinitisemally small chance of occuring " that it is classified s "impossible ".

I still think your 81/1 chance in your favour is nonsense .I also think your odds are 80/1 and not 81/1.

For those new to Roulette, there is only one problem.The odds against the punter is always 2.7% each spin.You have to try to overcome that deficit.That ,and only (ONLY ? )that is the problem .
Apart from the psychology, that is.
Happy Punting.

[jjh]

Fergus, I wouldn't give this Steve character the time of day. He has just proven what he's upto by linking to another site- he proably sells his 'strategy' on ebay or something like that.

You've got it right, there is an edge against you, I'd argue very similar to horse racing.

Say you backed every single EVS shot horse- believe it or not, they do actually win close to their 'expected odds'. EVS horses win around 48.50% of their races, the bookmakers price them up in a way that gives them the edge for every EVS shot and so on.

Now, the difference between horse racing and roulette is that you don't have to back every single EVS shot, you can be selective and with a bit of experience and knowledge you can back the value EVS shots- those that are going to win more races than the EVS price tags suggests- I do this kind of betting on a daily basis and I'm experienced with using maths and statistics to get the value.

This cannot happen with roulette because each spin is the same and every outcome has an equal chance of hitting, one that means no matter what bet you place, you are going to lose money in the longterm. The only way to beat roulette is to cheat or use a crystal ball, and I odon't think the latter has been invented yet, although Steve may be able to provide you a link for one

"I'm just a friend trying to help..." lmao!!!!!

[Steve Morgan]

"Fergus, I wouldn't give this Steve character the time of day. He has just proven what he's upto by linking to another site- he proably sells his 'strategy' on ebay or something like that."

Don't judge people before you know them! I wish we could meet face-to-face and you'd find you'd be the one with egg on it!!

The link I gave you - if you care to check it out - is just a Roulette Forum with members who actually support each other - absolutely nothing to do with links or selling or spamming etc. Just a neat group of like-minded people who want to help others win at roulette with FREE strategies! Just check it out and see. Have a look at my reputation there or ask some of the members about me. If you haven't already done this then you have no right to pass any judgement on me and my character. I came here to help, and since I DON'T sell strategies I was going to offer this Forum free information to help them develop their strategies. However you've stuffed it up for everyone with your pre-judged remarks. You silly, silly little man!
Nothing gets me more angry than closed-minded people who think they know it all and can give others advice about people they don't know. :sad:

Please feel free to check e-bay for any sales talk and you'll find none! As I said my strategy is not for sale. Can I make it any plainer for you? IT'S NOT FOR SALE! I was going to offer it free!

Cheers
WRX