Roulette- why you can't ever constantly win.

[skyrunner]

addition to above

If there was a way to win consistently, it would be naive to think the casinos wouldn't know about it, and move to close the gap. It would also be naive to think that if there was a way to win consistently, that 1000,s of dedicated gamblers who play roulette every day, would not have thought of it, and be doing it right now. If that was happening, the casinos would move to close the gap.

Casinos have been around for over 200 years. They monitor everything and every table. They know exactly what they have to do to ensure their profits keep rolling in.

[Gambling Man]

In a back street Ladbrokes in Blackpool up by Central Pier I went on roulette and it had 10 reds in a row. By the time it changed it had been 25 reds in a row. I walked away only about 60 quid up but it wasn't bad from betting like this.......

10 quid put in
2 pound red.
3 pound red.
7 pound red.
2 pound red (so if it changed I could collect straight 20)

[Daneel]

\\\\SORRY, posted this on another thread, before i found this one which is more relevant.////

I know this is an old thread but I am here because I googled "is it possible to beat roulette" and I found this forum. It seems the overwhelming answer is no (in the long run and not just on this forum), and I would agree.

The only thing is I have been using a progression system for six days now and have made £50 per day, usually in an hour or less. The longest it has taken me so far is 4 hours to make £50. £50 is the target I have set for myself, I could play longer and make more.

I am not selling and not telling any details about this. I intend to keep playing it for 14 more days, with the same success, before I double my stake.

It is so easy to sit back and laugh at claims like this because they dont make logical sense. Like others have said before, if there were such a system the casinos would go bust etc. Again, I always said the same thing. Maybe 6 days isnt long enough but I am willing to keep anyone who is interested updated on my progress.

I dunno, I guess I am posting this because I am so amazed at how well this system works, and would like to know if anyone else has had similar success. If you have, will (reputable) online casinos allow you to consistently take £50-£100 per day indefinately without finding some excuse for banning you? If they do ban you will they confiscate winnings? Is it legal for them to do so?

The system I am playing is progessive and does go through bad patches, but I have always (so far) won far more money than I have lost.

Maybe it is just luck so far, like I said, I will keep you posted. I started with £50 and now have £350 after six days.

IMO the key to beating roulette is to use a progression strategy but know how much to increase each bet and when to stop betting before you start the sequence again.

Any thoughts.

[skyrunner]

Be interested to hear your progress .. because im willing to listen to any possibilities that might work .. Though i believe 6 days is pretty good.. its probably not long enough to really know.

You can be lucky with a signal for a while. Many things i tried, worked for a short time, and a couple of times i got excited, thinking i was onto something ..then id get dumped on big time once i had some belief unfortunately. That's why ive come to the conclusion the casinos dont have to cheat. They've got it won already because the payouts are low when compared to losses, even ,ore so with progressive betting. Nevertheless I've found some pretty good methods but all come unstuck eventually. Progressive bets will serve you well for a short time until what you think is highly unlikely to happen, does happen.

[skyrunner]

Ive used the practice mode with online casinos to test everything i could think of .. when i thought i might have something .. i'd test it in practice mode with a real dealer on line ( to get away from RGN )

Nothing really works in the long run for reasons ive already stated above, but with some RGN sites, some types of progressive betting were successful, and i could steadily increase the balance whenever i played .. but i suspect if i changed to real money mode , i would'nt find it so easy.

different RGN sites ( random generated numbers - software ) seem to have different characteristics .. some are easier to win with progressive betting than others .. level betting is always difficult.

[KasinoKing]

I dunno, I guess I am posting this because I am so amazed at how well this system works, and would like to know if anyone else has had similar success.
1) If you have, will (reputable) online casinos allow you to consistently take £50-£100 per day indefinately without finding some excuse for banning you?
2) If they do ban you will they confiscate winnings?
3) Is it legal for them to do so?

Just posting mainly to give my opinions on your three questions (which I have numbered for clarity):-
1) Casinos can ban anyone at any time without having to give a reason. I would think it quite likely many would ban you if you really did win £50+ per day. But so what? There are 100's of reputable casinos on the internet - just move to another one.
2) Highly unlikely. No reputable casino could justify confiscation of winnings in these circumstances.
3) Most online casinos are not regulated by their country's governments, and therefore are beyond the reach of the law as such. Many are 'licensed & regulated' by Gaming Commissions in various countries, some of which would help, and some are useless.

However, I really don't think you need to worry about any of those issues - stick to recommended casinos & you will be fine.

As to Roulette systems; I have tried a few, also with limited success. I know everyone (including me) says systems don't work, but like most people my brain does find this very difficult to comprehend because logically they should work if you have ultimate patience & self control...

Anyway, good luck to you and keep us informed about how it goes!

KK

[Daneel]

Hey guys, thanks skyrunner and kasinoking for the replies...

OK, I am on my 8th consecutive £50 day, thats now up to £450 starting from £50. Yesterday took me 4 hours, today 40 minutes.

skyrunner, the point you make about progressive bets with the highly unlikely thing happening eventually is the crucial problem with all progressive betting systems. No matter how unlikely, if you play for long enough, it will eventually happen. Although, that very unlikely thing may only happen once in a billion spins, i.e. never in your lifetime. Along this point is there anyone here with a sufficient knowledge of maths and probabilities that could devise a formula that could establish the odds of losing based on the following factors:

x = odds of your individual bet winning (i.e 33% for dozens, or a bit less coz of 0)

y = number of spins before you start betting (i.e. wait for 5,6,7 or whatever spins without your number before you bet)

z = number of losses before you STOP betting.

n = the amount you bet on each spin played.

I may have missed something, but this would be a good formula I think.

kasinoking, thanks, you kind of put my mind at rest a bit. Have you (or anyone) ever heard of someone being banned from an ONLINE casino for winning too much? I have searched forums etc online and not found anyone (only people banned for bonus abuse).

Anyway, whatever happens I can only lose a maximum of £50, plus a few hours of my life

I plan to get to £1000, cash out £500 then continue with £500 and double my stake.

If (when?) I do eventually lose I will be happy to share the system lol, but as long as it keeps winning its mine, ALL MINE!!! )

[skyrunner]

Daneel .. re your point on probabilities . I must admit i do not try very hard to get my head around the maths of probablities .. but i think the " probabilites " arguement can be misleading.

Because its not really driven by probability .. the wheel is random and has no memory ..therefore anything can happen at any time .. its hard to accept that, but the wheel " really has no memory " therefore any plan based on probablities or patterns is irrelevant .. We do see /discern patterns in retrospect, but they are only fortuitous .. there's no probability or structure that we can rely on that underpins them. Best quote i saw on this went something like this .." its highly improbable we will see say 10 reds in a row, just as we begin playing at a table .. but if we do see that occur, then on the eleventh spin the chance that red will come up and not black is still what it was for the previous 10 spins ( 50 / 50 ) not counting zero. It's infuriating, but that's the way it is .. and the casino fully realises it. If there were any way to overcome the odds .. then i believe many dedicated gamblers would have discovered it already, not just one or two.. but many .. and if that happened the casinos would soon realise it too, and adjust their rules and systems.

[skyrunner]

re the above..
believe me i wish it were different ..i wish i was wrong about this .. and there was a way!

[Daneel]

Skyrunner

I know all of what you say is true, the roulette table has no memory, even after 20 reds, the chances of a red/black are still the same, 50/50.

I also know this point will have been discussed before, but here goes. Before you play any spin on a roulette table ask yourself what are the chances of (for example) 11 reds in a row? I make it 1024-1. If you place a bet on the 5th, 6th.... 12th bet, increasing martingale style til you lose, then you are actually betting AGAINST the chances of 12 reds/blacks in a row, which are pretty good odds.

I contend that it is possible to devise a system along these lines, I dont believe it can work for black/red, but the dozens, with the right start point, the right amount bet, and the right stop loss can be profitable.

I find myself arguing this point now because I am on my 10th consecutive £50 day, reaching the milestone of £500 profit, and it would be incredible odds for me to crash and burn now, an unlucky streak to end all unlucky streaks. I agree, it doesn't make it impossible, but possibly so unlikely, that it is very unlikely to happen in my lifetime.

Please don't think that what i am saying I believe as FACT. I am just saying, either I am just a lucky scrote, or there may actually be systems that can work. There are always losing patches, I have been down £150, but patiently crept my way back up to end £50 up for the day.

Anyway, continuing the test for the next 10 days, then I start to get greedy and I guess thats when I may see the end of my streak, lol, as is so often the case. ho hum...