Roulette- why you can't ever constantly win.

[badders]

im sure roulette is fixed because some one told me that when they spin the ball they do it different ways basicly if your a big gambler and new they let you win the first spin and because you think your lucks in you put more money in and of course you lose i think casinos make most of dosh on roulette table and the dice waste of money

[s4ooter]

best "method" i have used is the following:

watch first spin and see which 3rd it is in, then bet on the other two

say your stake is £10 u are layin £20 to win £30 but u do have 66% chance each spin.....

better than 47.5% when bettin red or black

[Dice Man]

Sorry JJH, but there is no system out there where you "beat the table". I will happily dis-prove anyone who says there is a system where you can make a profit long-term.

The single point you need to understand in Roulette is that each spin of the wheel is a random spin, unrelated the any previous spins.

Many people watch the table, and bet big at certain times, here's an example where most people are making assumptions that are false.

The odds of 3 red numbers coming in succession are:

0.5 x 0.5 x 0.5 = 0.125 or 1 in 8

So, if 2 reds come in, the chances of a 3rd red would appear to be 1 in 8. Many people would now bet big on black, believing the odds were with them. This is not true.

Each spin is unrelated to any previous spins, and so the probability of a black number will always be 18/37 or 48% ish, regardless of what went before.

You cannot beat the Roulette table!!

I can't believe any living person could possibly believe this sort of thing. It reminds me of a joke:

Bob and Jim are taking their seats on the aeroplane.
Bob: Did you know that according to recent research there's a 1% chance of there being a bomb on this plane?
Jim: Really? That's quite a high figure.
Bob: I know. I reasoned that if there's a 1% chance of there being one bomb on board then there must be around a 0.01% chance of there being two on board, and I'm happier with that percentage...so I brought a bomb on board myself so that there's only a 0.01% chance of there being another one.

[croup]

The roulette wheels in casinos are not true random or even random at all.. many croupiers have proven they can hit sections they want, some have even been said to be able to hit a specific number.

Can you point to your proof for this please or can anyone reference any well known examples of this? I am a croupier who deals roulette amongst other things and thing this is a complete fallacy. Judging the speed of the wheel, the speed of the ball, calculating different wheel and ball speeds for each new release point (which is dictated by the last number) and avoiding the soldiers which further randomise the outcome as well as compensating for the many different sizes of balls used seems humanly impossible. Just think how far the ball actually travels, the wheel is about a metre circumference and will travel 10-20times round the wheel on an average spin. If you were to try rolling a small ball twenty metres towards a spinning target less than an inch in size with obstacles in the way, do you think you could do that regularly even with lots of practice?

Apart from the technical difficulties of doing this you must understand that the croupiers who deal these games have very little interest in the outcome for the house. We are salaried professionals who receive no bonus or reward for the house winning or losing. We have to deal with demanding, abusive customers, smoky conditions and long/unsocial hours. Our wages are no better and in some cases a lot worse than waiters/hotel employees or other hospitality staff. I do not give a toss one way or the other if the casino makes money or whether i pay out or take in. The idea that we are all a part of a large conspiracy is ridiculous. The only reason a croupier would want to do this is for personal gain. Anyone who tells you they can spin numbers or sections and who isnt sunning themselves on a tropical paradise, mojito in hand at the time is probably full of hot air.

There is a built in percentage which makes the casino its money, no other shenanigans. There is no need for them.

Thats why id be interested to see if there is any proof of this actually occuring....oh and hello all..... :-o

[DenFos]

Well said Croup. There are dealer signatures though...I don't know why, but there just are - I think this is the best way to win, the other way is the Reverse Martingale.

[DenFos]

In reply to jjh first post. You'll be happi to hear that a profit can be turned from Roulette matey - but it's hard tiring work. Forget On-line; you gotta go to a REAL casini and play against each croupier/dealer as they change shifts. If you seriously want to make money at Roulette, you got to get yerself to one and note the numbers spun by each croupier for about 12 hours play say 2pm til 2am (need 2 people?). Then analyize these results for yourself - you will be astounded at the number of winning 35-1 bets that will just jump out of the page at you!

[croup]

If youve found a way to gain a profit from roulette good on you. I still politely maintain the only way to win in the long term from roulette is by cheating. Either pastposting, railbirding, chip-switching or using technology to calculate the drop of the ball.

You say some dealers have signatures but i bet these only become apparent after the fact. I very much doubt they could be used to predict the future. I, for example, dont spin the ball the same way each time. Its not (as customers think) to change where it is going to land. It is to meet the pace of the game. If there is one bloke playing a stack of wheel chips a spin, im going to spin it slowly. If i wallop the ball around the wheel 20 times hes going to get bored pretty quick and go away. It also means less spins an hour and the casino gets a lower "margin". If its a busy game with many people putting lots of chips on, the ball is going to be smoking its way round the wheel so they have time to place their bets and i have time to check they are all positioned correctly and memorise the vulnerable/cash chip bets.

Remember the human brain is very good at imagining patterns. Thats why we see shapes in the clouds and strange objects on the moon. The casino putting those cards out for you to record the numbers or having electronic screens is just psychology to make you think you can predict whats coming up when it is really quite random.

Yes, there can be patterns formed at times, a misbalanced wheel may produce certain "dropzones" on the fixed part of the wheel but again this is still hard to predict with a moving wheel and three spins of the ball still to go. Casinos also regularly check their wheels to stop things like this happening and even if you did fins such a wheel, you would need to watch it for a very long time to make use of it.

As i say if you or anyone else has found a way to consistently make money at roulette, well done. I really dont see it as possible whilst playing a "straight" game though. If you dont cheat the best way is to look at it like an enjoyable pastime, one in which you play within your means.

[DenFos]

Enlightening stuff Croup. I realise you prob cant divulge the Cash & Carry (Casino) you work for but It'd be a great exercise to play against you and see the results !! I play in Southampton, there are 3 casini here so theres a good choice, also Reading sometimes. I only play each croup for their first 20 spins - usually less. Outlay is average of about 50 units, so need to hit twice to make my profit. The essential thing is that I can only lose 72 units max if i dont hit at all, wheras if i get hot I can hit 4 or 5 times. Well, I'm off to Casini Thurs, Fri & Sat so I'll let you know how I have done next week. Be lucky....

[badders]

do you go to pompey as well

[DenFos]

No, never been to (Grosvenor?) in Southsea, bit far to go. Are there others in Pompey?