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Originally Posted by ThePadster
Nasty stuff Padster, but:
22 IS ahead of AKos Pre-flop....
How do others play little pairs pre, agg or call and hope for a set? Vicki Coren said the other day that she usually like to RR with them.
How about AKos? I am so fed up with getting 'em in and losing I play more passive pre and see a flop.
"I've been doing it blindfolded whilst balancing an epileptic porcupine on my cock"
This one hurt.....(as it would have given me a good lead going into / approaching final table)
***** Hand 1506317518 *****
25.00/50.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 16 March 2009 20:45:49
€50 FPP Freeroll (Real /Tournament )
Seat 1: Unknown (0.00)
Seat 2: cayton (1523.00)
Seat 3: Unknown (0.00)
Seat 4: 666Boon666 (4421.00)
Seat 5: rfph1 (2537.00)
Seat 6: RichGhost (1189.00)
Seat 7: oovely (2555.00)
Seat 8: Unknown (0.00)
Seat 9: spainey (1275.00)
Seat 10: Unknown (0.00)
666Boon666 post SB 25.00
rfph1 post BB 50.00
** Deal **
cayton [N/A, N/A]
666Boon666 [N/A, N/A]
rfph1 [Ac, Ah]
RichGhost [N/A, N/A]
oovely [N/A, N/A]
spainey [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
RichGhost Fold
oovely Raise to 100.00
spainey Fold
cayton Fold
666Boon666 Fold
rfph1 Raise to 325.00
oovely All-in 2555.00
rfph1 All-in 2537.00
*** Flop(Board): *** : [10d, 5d, 7h]
*** Turn(Board): *** : [10d, 5d, 7h, 7d]
*** River(Board): *** : [10d, 5d, 7h, 7d, 4c]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 5099.00
cayton Fold Win: 0.00
666Boon666 Fold Win: 0.00
rfph1 [Ac, Ah] Two pair aces and sevens Win: 0.00
RichGhost Fold Win: 0.00
oovely [4d, 4s] Full house Win: 5099.00
spainey Fold Win: 0.00
And this one nearly pushed me over the edge.....
***** Hand 1506501058 *****
150.00/300.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 16 March 2009 22:15:03
Holdem Speed (Real /Tournament )
Seat 1: Unknown (0.00)
Seat 2: Unknown (0.00)
Seat 3: peppuzziel (2870.00)
Seat 4: Unknown (0.00)
Seat 5: rfph1 (4630.00)
rfph1 post SB 150.00
peppuzziel post BB 300.00
** Deal **
peppuzziel [N/A, N/A]
rfph1 [Ad, Ah]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
rfph1 Raise to 600.00
peppuzziel Call 600.00
*** Flop(Board): *** : [5c, 4h, 10d]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
peppuzziel All-in 2270.00
rfph1 Call 2270.00
*** Turn(Board): *** : [5c, 4h, 10d, 5d]
*** River(Board): *** : [5c, 4h, 10d, 5d, Ac]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 5740.00
peppuzziel [8c, 5h] Three of a kind, fives Win: 0.00
rfph1 [Ad, Ah] Full house Win: 5740.00
Today, I have mostly been : drinking Kaluha
Nasty stuff Padster, but:
22 IS ahead of AKos Pre-flop....
How do others play little pairs pre, agg or call and hope for a set? Vicki Coren said the other day that she usually like to RR with them.
How about AKos? I am so fed up with getting 'em in and losing I play more passive pre and see a flop.
I had the exact same situation as padster last night (I was AKo vs 22), and I had a little argument with the moron in the chatbox about this very thing.
Essentially, whether it is good play or not is beyond the coin-flip nature of these two hands going heads-up. In my situation, I took the lead UTG by betting big (something like 5xBB) to show strength from early position. Homeboy I was up against went all in from the button with 22's. His 2's held up and busted me out (we were comparable stacks).
Now, doesn't this come down to the gap concept and having to have a stronger hand to call a raise than lead with one? In his situation, he risked his tournament life in a situation where someone under the gun had already shown a lot of strength. Ok, so I had KAo but I could have been playing a high pair just the same way. In fact, I could be playing ANY pair the same way and have him completely mullered pre-flop. Shoving with 22 in his position was just bad play, especially as I had been pretty tight up to that point and certainly wouldn't be risking a bluff from that position. Even I had been holding 33's I would have been a 75% favorite with my offsuited anna's.
So whilst the odds calculators classify it as a coin-flip, playing that low-pair in such a way is asking for massive trouble and is completely non-optimal.
In Padsters hand, his opponent was even MORE moronic, as at the point he shoved all-in, there had been two hands showing strength ahead of him.
In terms of playing low pairs, for me its a case of trying to see a flop cheaply from early position and hitting a set or folding. In later position I would re-raise if there hadn't been any raises beforehand but once again, if you see the flop and miss then muck em, unless you just want to gamble.
AKo's are harder...If the position is right and I am getting a little short stacked then I tend to shove, but if I have room for actually playing poker, I tend to treat it for what it is - an Ace high hand, and if I am drawing dead beyond the flop then probably abort. One of the biggest mistakes I see other people make is falling in love with them, calling down to the river and then being beaten by some mundane hand.
I'm hardly Tom Dwan though, so my way of playing them is probably wrong, but hey
I think the issue that got Padster pissed off is the guy shoved his 22 after a raise and a reraise when he had zero fold equity.
As for rfph's min-raise with AA - dont do it! Minraising sucks and just screws you over time after time.
EXACTLY !!
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A little harsh - my min raise with AA was heads up, where any sign of weakness normally results in a re-raise. At this stage his call left him with 8BBs and therefore hard for him to fold post flop - a situation where unless he hits 2pair or better you take the game. +ev imo.
I agree min raiseing AA in a table with >3 or 4 players is p*ss poor play, but not in this situation.
Today, I have mostly been : drinking Kaluha
fuck the dumbass moron call, fuck the crappy river, fuck my luck and fuck poker!
***** Hand 1514613187 *****
25.00/50.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 22 March 2009 01:02:40
Holdem (Real/Tournament)
Seat 1: tero- (1040.00)
Seat 2: HDI940 (2985.00)
Seat 3: DIPDIBRED (600.00)
Seat 4: nono3379 (933.00)
Seat 5: Cajones (1395.00)
Seat 6: Unknown (0.00)
Seat 7: Brastad (1455.00)
Seat 8: kintiswood (1610.00)
Seat 9: joselejos (1177.00)
Seat 10: Igov (3805.00)
nono3379 post SB 25.00
Cajones post BB 50.00
** Deal **
tero- [N/A, N/A]
HDI940 [N/A, N/A]
DIPDIBRED [N/A, N/A]
nono3379 [N/A, N/A]
Cajones [8s, 6d]
Brastad [N/A, N/A]
kintiswood [N/A, N/A]
joselejos [N/A, N/A]
Igov [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
Brastad Fold
kintiswood Call 50.00
joselejos Call 50.00
Igov Call 50.00
tero- Fold
HDI940 Call 50.00
DIPDIBRED Call 50.00
nono3379 Call 50.00
Cajones Check
*** Flop(Board): *** : [6s, 8c, Jc]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
nono3379 Check
Cajones Check
kintiswood Check
joselejos Check
Igov Bet 100.00
HDI940 Call 100.00
DIPDIBRED Fold
nono3379 Fold
Cajones All-in 1345.00
kintiswood Fold
joselejos Fold
Igov Call 1345.00
HDI940 Fold
*** Turn(Board): *** : [6s, 8c, Jc, 6h]
*** River(Board): *** : [6s, 8c, Jc, 6h, Jd]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 3140.00
tero- Fold Win: 0.00
HDI940 Fold Win: 0.00
DIPDIBRED Fold Win: 0.00
nono3379 Fold Win: 0.00
Cajones [8s, 6d] Full house Win: 0.00
Brastad Fold Win: 0.00
kintiswood Fold Win: 0.00
joselejos Fold Win: 0.00
Igov [5c, Jh] Full house Win: 3140.00
had the worst evening ever playing omaha.
its almost amusing that my stats are "pots won at showdown 1/13", and i was at least a slight favourite in 10 of them. Just a succesion of the board pairing when i have nut flush or the board not pairing when i have top set.
The best one was where some spaz who was tilting 4 bets me with 259Q and we get all in preflop and he destroys my AAJQ.
Right. What have you got?
"Three pairs."
What d'you mean three pairs? You're only allowed five cards!
"Oh. Shit! Er, two pairs. Well, two and a half pairs."
=========================================
"Right, let's get on with the game."
What have you got?
"Five kings."
***** Hand 1521061837 *****
1.50/3.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 26 March 2009 01:23:45
Table TH 1014 (Real /Cash Game )
Seat 2: verasporti (412.71)
Seat 4: KasperMads (300.00)
Seat 5: ThePadster (611.15)
Seat 1: Blackbirdx (125.57)
Seat 3: qqquuu (120.00)
verasporti post SB 1.50
qqquuu post BB 3.00
** Deal **
verasporti [N/A, N/A]
KasperMads [N/A, N/A]
ThePadster [Kc, 10c]
Blackbirdx [N/A, N/A]
qqquuu [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
KasperMads Raise to 10.50
ThePadster Call 10.50
Blackbirdx Call 10.50
verasporti Fold
qqquuu Call 10.50
*** Flop(Board): *** : [8c, 2s, 10s]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
qqquuu Check
KasperMads Check
ThePadster Bet 36.00
Blackbirdx Call 36.00
qqquuu All-in 109.50
KasperMads Fold
ThePadster Call 109.50
Blackbirdx Call 109.50
*** Turn(Board): *** : [8c, 2s, 10s, 9c]
*** Bet Round 3 ***
ThePadster Bet 186.00
Blackbirdx All-in 5.57
*** River(Board): *** : [8c, 2s, 10s, 9c, 5h]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 3.00 Total Pot: 380.14
verasporti Fold Win: 0.00
KasperMads Fold Win: 0.00
ThePadster [Kc, 10c] Pair of tens Win: 0.00
Blackbirdx [5d, 5s] Three of a kind, fives Win: 380.14
qqquuu Fold Win: 0.00
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Harsh
***** Hand 1522740665 *****
0.05/0.10 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 27 March 2009 05:29:39
Table TH 19 (Real/Cash Game)
Seat 1: Ineed2ski (6.62)
Seat 5: bunbu69 (9.65)
Seat 6: @@@" (1.03)
Seat 7: Cajones (18.75)
Seat 9: jose321 (11.12)
Seat 10: karvanapa (11.35)
Seat 8: jl20031 (10.28)
Seat 3: xxxLutz (9.54)
Seat 4: shengluo (7.56)
jl20031 post SB 0.05
jose321 post BB 0.10
shengluo post BB 0.10
** Deal **
Ineed2ski [N/A, N/A]
bunbu69 [N/A, N/A]
@@@" [N/A, N/A]
Cajones [Kh, Qs]
jose321 [N/A, N/A]
karvanapa [N/A, N/A]
jl20031 [N/A, N/A]
xxxLutz [N/A, N/A]
shengluo [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
karvanapa Fold
Ineed2ski Fold
xxxLutz Fold
shengluo Check
bunbu69 Call 0.10
@@@" Fold
Cajones Raise to 0.70
jl20031 Fold
jose321 Raise to 2.35
shengluo Call 2.35
bunbu69 Fold
Cajones Call 2.35
*** Flop(Board): *** : [10s, Jc, 9d]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
jose321 Bet 5.40
shengluo All-in 5.21
Cajones Raise to 10.80
jose321 All-in 8.77
*** Turn(Board): *** : [10s, Jc, 9d, Qh]
*** River(Board): *** : [10s, Jc, 9d, Qh, Kd]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 1.49 Total Pot: 28.46
Ineed2ski Fold Win: 0.00
bunbu69 Fold Win: 0.00
@@@" Fold Win: 0.00
Cajones [Kh, Qs] Straight to the king Win: 0.00
jose321 [Ah, As] Ace high straight Win: 28.46
karvanapa Fold Win: 0.00
jl20031 Fold Win: 0.00
xxxLutz Fold Win: 0.00
shengluo Fold Win: 0.00
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