Whats your ruling??

[waltypies]

Ok say you were the TD and tell me what you think the ruling should be or what ruling you would give.

Action folds to player A who raises.

Folds to Player B who re raises.

Player A calls.

The dealer puts the chips in the middle and for some reason mixes all the mucked cards along with the other cards and passes the chips to player B.

Bear in mind player A and B both have there own cards behind the line. The dealer notices the mistake and calls the TD.

What do you rule?

[Dice Man]

I'm pretty sure nobody in the world would do what I would do here, and I'm surprised I'm even suggesting it. If neither player was more than half-all-in (i.e. the re-raise was less than half of the shortest player's stack) I would flip over the cards and award the whole pot to whoever had the hand most likely to win at showdown. If the pot is for more than half of the shortest player's stack I would shuffle the deck with the mucked cards and treat it as an all-in for the amount in the pot, deal the board and award it to the winning hand. Crazy I know, but it seems like the most fair way.

[Gus Mango Fish]

I think I'd shuffle all the cards in the middle back into the deck and deal the flop, turn, river as normal. Then sack the dealer.

[waltypies]

then sack the dealer.

qft

[lev1athan]

I'd just go with the second part of Diceman's suggestion, and ditch all the stuff about whether the pot is less than half of the shortest player's stack (??!).

So I think

Treat as allin, shuffle and deal from muck > Play on as normal, shuffle and deal from muck > Declare hand dead

Anything involving stack sizes starts to get arbitrary and a bit demented IMO.

[shmeigle]

i would continue the shuffle and deal a flop.
the folded cards have no bearing on the pre flop play hence their relevance as part of the deck has no relevance.
you can surmise that that play is heads up and that any blinds already in could be ante anyway.
i.e the players still in are the last two in the tournament and the blinds are x/x with ante of x

am i the best td or what?

[Steve A]

I would rule it "officially" a dead hand. However, I would also also offer the players the option of continuing the hand as normal with the shuffled deck containing the mucked cards, providing they were both in agreement to do so.

[cayton]

If i was TD . easy decision. call it a dead hand, both players turn over there cards,. The one with the best hand pre (% wise) gets to kick the dealer in the bollocks. sorted.

[jingjangjong]

I think I'd shuffle all the cards in the middle back into the deck and deal the flop, turn, river as normal. Then sack the dealer.

+1 so long as the chips are taken back n all

[lucky_scrote]

The ruling is just to reshuffle the deck and deal the flop. Dealer doesn't burn on the flop iirc.