The SnG grind begins

[glynnoo]

Live in Fife,Scotland...never really play live, dont have the live bankroll to support it and its bit of a trek to the nearest Casino...Had an awful run last night at $10 level, making final tables then bubbling...just got that feeling that I was never gonna make the cash, cards dried up,short stacks started coming from behind.Bankroll down to $170 so starting the grind again after a shot at bigger stakes! Find it amazing how many stupid players there are at $10 people going all in with 30 bb, one guy was continually doing it at the final table...Never had a hand until picked up Aces and guy goes all in with Q10 we were both big stacks and he hits Quads! Bubbled in 5th! l

Hows your grind going?! Any success?

[sdot1989]

i've heard it said that really good SNG players average out at about 20% ROI over time

Thanks, this will be my target. I'm currently at 122.22% would be nice to keep that going.

I only play 9 man SnG's what do you play Glynnoo? Im doing alright, up to about $78, its slow but im not complaining if its going up. I played a few yesterday, I think I prefer playing during the week after all, the games were pretty hyper aggresive, was alright when you pick up premiums but if your card dead its impossible with raises and reraises pretty much every hand pre flop, would have been alright if people were actually getting knocked out but they were just continually donating to each other.

Step back down to the $5, its too easy to have a bad run of cards, go on tilt and lose the lot where you are now. How many tournaments do you play per week on average? Whats your overall goal? Are you just going to keep moving up the stakes, when you lose buy ins move back down and the go back up? I want to get a roll were I can play the $10 and just make a consistant profit to pay for my trip to Vegas at the end of the year, would be nice to get there, it gives me good motivation thinking about it.

[rfph1]

i've heard it said that really good SNG players average out at about 20% ROI over time

Ive scoped hundreds of STT players, and very few players with >1000 games manage to average >10%.

imo anything >5% is damn good considering you are also paying 5-10% rake.

[glynnoo]

Yeah only really got into poker last year or so, so still trying to learn and start to think about it more...have seen a gradual improvement though.Been playing 9 and 18 mostly, anything more and starts to take up a lot of time, gonna try to start multi tabling though! Yeah at $215 so gonna move down to $5 and see how far it goes...yeah just gonna see how far it goes moving up the levels(hopefully not down!) not sure how many I play a week probly about 60/70 i would say, would need to check it out tho! I would love to go to Vegas! Never been! Yeah a goal at the end is a good marker...do u just play on full tilt?! Probly not gonna get much chance to play today gonna go out watch the football, will try to play tonight tho! Do you play MTTs?!....Also can anyone explain rakeback for me?!

[Barnfather]

To the OP, this may be a useful link.

It seems the ROI expectations will shift dependent on stakes. Which makes sense I guess. At the stakes he is talking about, 20% would be a good goal

SNG Tournaments Return on Investment and Hourly Rate| ROI Profits Average For Sit N Goes

[sdot1989]

[QUOTE=Barnfather;120428]To the OP, this may be a useful link.

It seems the ROI expectations will shift dependent on stakes. Which makes sense I guess. At the stakes he is talking about, 20% would be a good goal

Thanks I'll read this tuesday before I start playing again. All your input into the thread is appreciated.

Glynnoo your roll seems to swing quite alot lol, I only had a tiny go at a couple first thing this morning and couldnt get anything going, I think i crashed out 8th in one and the 6th in another after doubling up in the first 5 hands, I did what all noobs do, because i had a stack I chased every draw when I was in hands that i should never have been in, eventually donating it all around the table and then having to shove light and got caught.

Have you noticed how many people limp call in these games? I almost hate getting hands like AQ, I have to raise but when you get 3 callers and miss and the flop theres not alot you can do. Gets very frustrating whe your missing everything or you flop the A but the flushes and straights complete on the turn and you have to lay it down.

[Barnfather]

Have you noticed how many people limp call in these games? I almost hate getting hands like AQ, I have to raise but when you get 3 callers and miss and the flop theres not alot you can do. Gets very frustrating whe your missing everything or you flop the A but the flushes and straights complete on the turn and you have to lay it down.

In STTs, limping in the early levels is fine. So I would treat AQ as just Ace high and hope to connect with the flop. Once the blinds reach the 50/100 level that all changes, but perhaps you are overplaying the early levels? Doubling up in the early stages doesn't really have a huge bearing in the late stages, partly because of the problem you describe.

[CitrusSR]

I just fold AQ early on in low stakes sit n gos tbh, especially in early position. 3 or 4 x bb raise gets 4 callers then you're OOP often with A high against multiple opponents. Just play monsters early doors and loosen up as the blinds get bigger imo

[sdot1989]

Just trie 4 tabling and lost all four, AK<7 Ace high flop against set, JQs against a flopped set of 2's on J high flop with flush draw, KK

[Barnfather]

I just fold AQ early on in low stakes sit n gos tbh, especially in early position. 3 or 4 x bb raise gets 4 callers then you're OOP often with A high against multiple opponents. Just play monsters early doors and loosen up as the blinds get bigger imo

Yes, although as limping is common in early levels, a certain amount of this doesn't really hurt - especially in position. The only hands I raise pre in STTs early levels, are monsters which don't play well against multi-way pots (AA, KK, QQ etc). But I will limp Axs, suited connectors and smaller pairs etc in the first 3 levels. Just keeping the emphasis on small pots until the blinds increase.

I've also found that when the big blind hits 100, min-raising will be sufficient to thin the field and prevents big losses when you run into another decent hand. This is something I have found different from MTTs where you really need to put in a 3x or 4x bet from mid-position to clear the field as a min-raise would only be met be a 4bet.