Drawing for seats...

[DonkBox]

This is something that doesn't happen in the LPL at the moment. I'm not saying it needs to be instigated in the monthly leaderboard games, but it's certainly something i'd like to see happen at the final.
This is probably a -EV post for me as at the moment i take advantage of not having this rule, by whenever possible sitting to the immediate left of whoever i percieve to be the strongest player at my table and/or sitting to the right of any maniacs.

The easiest way to implement this would be draw for seats as you draw for dealer e.g highest card = button next highest = cut off, next highest = 2 the right of the button etc.

I know this isn't the WSOP but at the monthly final when you are playing for prizes i think it's important to draw for seats.

[LPL_Mike]

This is something that doesn't happen in the LPL at the moment. I'm not saying it needs to be instigated in the monthly leaderboard games, but it's certainly something i'd like to see happen at the final.
This is probably a -EV post for me as at the moment i take advantage of not having this rule, by whenever possible sitting to the immediate left of whoever i percieve to be the strongest player at my table and/or sitting to the right of any maniacs.

The easiest way to implement this would be draw for seats as you draw for dealer e.g highest card = button next highest = cut off, next highest = 2 the right of the button etc.

I know this isn't the WSOP but at the monthly final when you are playing for prizes i think it's important to draw for seats.

Great idea Nick...i win bring it in at the Bath Finals, like you i think its important that the seating at the table is random, and not chosen by the players

[Alex_B]

Jeez, are you guys serious? Drawing for seats doesn't make it any more or less likely you'll be sat in a favourable position and will add extra confusion when seating everyone.
And what is seat one? Are you gonna draw for that too? And then draw for who draws for seat one?
Seriously, I think it's not worth the hassle or confusion, especially at a final!
Let's try not to disappear up our own arses here people!

Its Dan by the way, not Alex!

[RevStu]

Let's try not to disappear up our own arses here people!

Given some of the recent threads around here, I think these are words everyone should ponder before posting...

[DonkBox]

Drawing for seats doesn't make it any more or less likely you'll be sat in a favourable position and will add extra confusion when seating everyone.

Whilst it doesn't make it anymore or less likely it makes it random. At the moment that randomiser is just when you happen to arrive at the table. Drawing for seats really isn't confusing at all.

And what is seat one? Are you gonna draw for that too? And then draw for who draws for seat one?

Dan you've played plenty of home games where we've drawn for seats, so you should know how it works. I just noticed the time you posted your response, maybe a beer or three has made you forget? if you were sober, maybe you've just forgotten.

[Alex_B]

Hi 'Donk'

Alex today.....

I think the main problem is that we have enough of a problem with people sitting at the right table, let alone in the right seat. How many times on a Tuesday and Thursday do I have to go round with the clipboard to call out names because one table has 9 people trying to sit at it, whilst another table has 5.

A home game where there are 10 people is absolutely fine, mainly because we're all used to doing it and because there are only 10 people. Trying to get 40 people (some of who have already had a quantity of alcohol before they've arrived at the venue), to sort out the correct table and then have to draw for the correct seat, is, in my view asking for problems and will undoubtedly (by the time everyone is seated correctly) mean the game starts later. We now start the game at 7.25pm as it is (and there is talk of starting even earlier), and do not need this added on top of everything else we have to do.

I know you sometimes run Filo's, its a great venue but it only ever has two tables (three on a good day), its a bit of a difference to running a venue where you regulary have over 40 people turning up to play.

You're very welcome to run the Assembly one night if you like, so you can see what I mean first hand. Answering the questions, sorting out disputes, keeping 5 tables balanced, closing tables and clearing them, doing chip ups (all whilst you're trying to play and win) takes some doing. I honestly believe that we do not need any more added to our plate. Keep the "seat drawing" for the final and the home games.

Thanks,

Alex

[LPL_Mike]

Hi 'Donk'

Alex today.....

I think the main problem is that we have enough of a problem with people sitting at the right table, let alone in the right seat. How many times on a Tuesday and Thursday do I have to go round with the clipboard to call out names because one table has 9 people trying to sit at it, whilst another table has 5.

A home game where there are 10 people is absolutely fine, mainly because we're all used to doing it and because there are only 10 people. Trying to get 40 people (some of who have already had a quantity of alcohol before they've arrived at the venue), to sort out the correct table and then have to draw for the correct seat, is, in my view asking for problems and will undoubtedly (by the time everyone is seated correctly) mean the game starts later. We now start the game at 7.25pm as it is (and there is talk of starting even earlier), and do not need this added on top of everything else we have to do.

I know you sometimes run Filo's, its a great venue but it only ever has two tables (three on a good day), its a bit of a difference to running a venue where you regulary have over 40 people turning up to play.

You're very welcome to run the Assembly one night if you like, so you can see what I mean first hand. Answering the questions, sorting out disputes, keeping 5 tables balanced, closing tables and clearing them, doing chip ups (all whilst you're trying to play and win) takes some doing. I honestly believe that we do not need any more added to our plate. Keep the "seat drawing" for the final and the home games.
Thanks,
Alex

Alex you mis-read Nicks post, Nick didn't want to introduce this to the regular nightly games...that would just end in chaos!....

What Nick was refering to was the monthly finals, which i think he has a valid point

[Alex_B]

Hi Mike,

I know that 'initially' it's being introduced at the finals only, I just wondered if Nicks long term plan was to introduce it to all the events, because you're right, it would end in chaos.

I wasn't having a pop at Nick either, I just want to demonstrate the difference in the venues we both run and the fact that drawing for seats would, in my view cause more problems than it would solve.

With regard to drawing seats that at the finals, I agree, it's a valid point. As far as I'm concerned Finals should be held under controlled conditions and be made to be as fair for everyone as possible and if this includes the drawing of seats then so be it. It would mean that tactical seating would be a thing of the past, which would be a good thing.

I also belive that at Finals Day event, there should be no pulling your folded cards out of the muick pile when you've seen the flop and showing them to someone - what bigger way is there of telling the rest of the table that you had part of that flop.

I'm not concerned about people doing it during League games, as they are not as important, but during the Final when you're playing for prizes it should be completely banned. Just say for example that the flop comes out 3,3,5, someone grabs their cards back from the muck pile to show the person sat next to them, they're basically telling the rest of the table they threw away a 3.

I'm glad we are on the same wave length with regard to non-final LPL games though, I was beginning to get a little concerned.

cheers,

Alex

[GUMSHOE]

No doubt Alex does a grand job at the Assembly, but feel I should just mention that the last two games at FILOS were at capacity - four tables of eight.

If you wish to draw seat numbers, just make some cards (plain, rather than the suited variety!) and label each with a letter and a number. Having signed in, when the time comes for the players to take their seats, each one draws a card from a bag and the letter relates to the table and the number the seat number at that table. People will have the card with them to take to the table so mistakes will quickly be identified, they won't be looking over another load of people's shoulders trying to read their table nunmber and there will be no arguments over who wants to be next to the bar / loo / idiot fish, etc. At some point during the first round an organiser comes round to collect the cards.

So, that's what I would do if I were organiser and the boss told me to draw for seats. Personally, though, Donk's first post was far too honest and magnanimous; if he or she has an advantage because of knowing the best place to sit, more power to him, or her!

[Alex_B]

To Gumshoe I would simply say 'no' - for all the reasons stated in my previous posts; I'm not going to write them again.

For the final it's fine, for an average night down the pub, its not needed. Keep it for the final and home games.

However, as Mike mentioned in his post, it is only for the final anyway, so that seems to sort that argument out.